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ajjbc
Canada
16 Posts |
 Posted - 25 February 2009 : 19:11:44
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Seeking further info on James RIDDELL born c 1874 in Hawick,son of Emily DRINKWATER and John RIDDELL. He married Dec 1899 in Hawick to..Herriot Miller HUGGAN born c 1880 in Hawick and her parents were Elizabeth RICHARDSON and James HUGGAN.
I have no death dates for either of the above...any help welcome.
They had 2 known children:
John RIDDELL born May 4 1900 Hawick and died Apr 6 1902
Elizabeth Richardson RIDDELL born Apr 21 1902 in Hawick...now I am stuck.........
Can anyone shed any light on this family or their (if any) descendants...thanks in advance.
Ann Jensen |
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Wardy
England
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Posted - 25 February 2009 : 22:49:46
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| Hi Ann. I'm intrigued by your mention of John and Elizabeth as children of James and HARRIET as I could find no mention of James in the 1901 census (in ANY area of Scotland) and assumed that he and his family had either emigrated, or defected to England. I found Harriet Huggan (10) in the 1891 census living at 8 Kirkwynd, Hawick with her parents James and Elizabeth (both showing occupations as "coal bag carrier") plus three brothers and two sisters. Elizabeth is recorded as being born at Dalkeith, Midlothian which is just south of Edinburgh. Hope this is of interest. Ed |
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ajjbc
Canada
16 Posts |
Posted - 27 February 2009 : 21:45:48
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Wardy...Well your reply got me thinking..so off to England and search there..zippo..Next place Canada..Bingo..I find them on the 1911 Census:
James age 34,Hestie (should be Hettie) age 32 and dau Lizzie age 9.
Emmigrated from Scotland c 1910...That's cutting it close to census..and the bonus is James younger brother age 26 is there too.
So I had put out posts in that area...and hope for some replys.
What is rather interesting is that James Riddell's Aunt and Uncle had come over to Canada earlier and ...yes,you got it..they ..being Mary Wilson from Rox and Henry Drinkwater (born Eng) but from Rox..married in Ontario Canada and were settled in the same area.
So now I will need to rely on post to move me up to date...as getting much after 1911 in Canada on line is ...gggrrrr..tough to do..
Thank you for the briliant idea to go look for them outside of Hawick.
Ann Jensen |
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Harry D. Watson
86 Posts |
Posted - 27 February 2009 : 22:36:15
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I suppose this isn't really very relevant, but the mention of HUGGAN reminded me that one of my PETTIGREW relatives in Wilton, Hawick, married a HUGGAN. The PETTIGREWS were immigrants into Hawick from the Co. Down in Northern Ireland.
In 1874 George HUGGAN married Helen PETTIGREW, a 1st cousin of my great-grandmother Martha STEWART (daughter of James STEWART and Agnes PETTIGREW). George was a brother of James HUGGAN who married Elizabeth RICHARDSON, their parents being George HUGGAN and Jemima REA.
Our younger son (now aged 30) was at school here in Edinburgh with a boy called HUGGAN whose father once told me that he came from the Borders, but in those days I didn't know of any HUGGAN connection with my own family and didn't ask him for details!
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ajjbc
Canada
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Posted - 28 February 2009 : 02:35:34
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Harry..Thanks for your reply and snippet of info..
It always amazes me what people have squirreled away in their memory and in their paper work..
Interesting that there is a sideline connection
Yes,...indeed George Huggan (brother to James) married Helen Pettigrew on Dec 31 1874 in Wilton,Rox.
I do not have Helens parents names or george and Helen's children (if any).
So for curiosity sake ..I might have to pay the piper at scotspeople,they have been chewing on my Visa Card for a while now.
So now my next challenge is to find who the remaining child "Catherine Huggan born 1853" married (if she did).
Then I will have gathered all children of George Huggan and Jemima Rae's childrens offspring.
As I research..I admit I have been sticking to the Borders area..like when I go to Scotspeople and do a search..I seem to have amassed a great deal so far as far as ID'ing Huggan folk...
some other interesting names connected with Huggan are..WILLISON,McARTHUR,MIDDLEMASS,TEARNEY,HOWISON,STEVENSON,TURNER,
DAVIDSON,DRINKWATER,STOTT,MURGATROYD,ALLAN,SCOTT,CLARK,HOGG,MURRAY.
I figure this way..the more I post ,the better chance I have of a possible connection.
I am always interested in connections and am always willing to share and answer any questions if I can.
I also have a few interesting names I am researching from the Borders:
Tinline,Kersal,Redpath,Waldie,Hogg,Riddell,Aitchison,Richardson,Miller..etc
Thanks all for reading my long post.
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Harry D. Watson
86 Posts |
Posted - 28 February 2009 : 09:18:27
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Ann, I just worked out how to send an email to members of the forum off-list, and I've sent you a detailed PETTIGREW tree showing Helen's wider family. I got this from a distant cousin of mine on the PETTIGREW side, who was brought up in Hawick (I come from a fishing-village in Fife, north-east of Edinburgh, and knew nothing about the Border PETTIGREWS far back on my mother's side of the family until I did some family-history research).
This distant cousin of mine is descended from the Archibald PETTIGREW shown in the tree who married 3 times. I'm descended from his sister Agnes PETTIGREW who married a Hawick (Wilton) man called James STEWART. I also had Hawick ancestors called WELSH.
A sister of Agnes and Archibald - Sarah PETTIGREW - married a James RICHARDSON, but he was also a new arrival in Hawick from Northern Ireland. I have RICHARDSON ancestors myself in Maxton, near St. Boswells.
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daveb
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Posted - 14 July 2011 : 15:24:51
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I can't help on RIDDELLs or HUGGANs, but the DRINKWATERs here sound a lot like mine...
My 3rd gt-grand uncle was William DRINKWATER, b 1820 in Enderby,Leicestershire, and he married Matilda BURTON (also b 1820 in Enderby) on 25 Dec 1844 in Enderby.
They had at least 4 children, all born in Enderby: James (b 1845), Clementina Maria (b 1846 - d 1846), Henry (b 1849), and Emily (b 1855), plus Matilda also had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth Ann (b 1841).
The family were living in Enderby in 1851, but then reappear in Hawick,Roxburghshire in 1861, minus James. (I can't find James in Enderby or Hawick in 1861.)
It looks like Henry & Emily are the same as those that went on to marry the Mary WILSON & John RIDDELL respectively mentioned in previous posts - DRINKWATER being not exactly a common name in Hawick!
I can't find a free transcription of Hawick after 1861 to trace the family further though. It would be interesting to know whether William & Matilda DRINKWATER stayed in Scotland or also went over to Canada.
However, I do have more info on William DRINKWATERs parents & family connections in Leicestershire, if you're interested.
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Sandy Sandilands
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Posted - 17 July 2011 : 11:47:23
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There was a London silversmith by the name of Sandilands Drinkwater in the 1760s based in Gutter Lane, London who also had a son named Sandilands Drinkwater Jr b.1780.
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daveb
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Posted - 18 July 2011 : 15:14:34
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Not that I know of, Sandy. The first DRINKWATER in my tree is William, b1789/1793 in Northamptonshire or Enderby, Leicestershire, depending on which source you look at. So far, all the descendants I have managed to trace stayed in the Leicestershire area until relatively recently, and I've certainly got no evidence to link them to London in the 18th century.
In fact, DRINKWATER seems to be a Cheshire name?
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Sandy Sandilands
20 Posts |
Posted - 19 July 2011 : 00:32:25
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Originally posted by daveb
In fact, DRINKWATER seems to be a Cheshire name?
Yes, when I took a look into the Sandilands Drinkwaters they appeared to go back to Knutsford in Cheshire and it is possible Sandilands was used as a first name following the marriage of a Deborah Sandilands to William Drinkwater circa 1689 in Knutsford.
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Harry D. Watson
86 Posts |
Posted - 26 July 2011 : 11:51:47
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Drinkwater isn't a common name in Scotland, so I'll just mention that when I was a boy growing up in Anstruther/Cellardyke in east Fife in the 1950s there was a local family called Drinkwater. Tommy was quite elderly, and was married to Dot Arlyn - at least that's the name she used as a dancing teacher (she ran a little dancing/ballet school). They had an unmarried son called Eric.
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indibraw
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 April 2012 : 16:27:54
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| I'm both HUGGAN and RIDDELL -but in Jedburgh and Kelso area .Is it worth my posting some detail?? Ian Blackie.. |
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